Curse

markus_thom · Feb 04, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Compare Rangers self heal to warrior.
Healing signet verse Troll urgent is a good example.
In past updates healing signet has been buffed, but troll urgent has remained as slow as ever.

I think its time troll Urgent got a buff in recharge time, its so slow and easily interupted.
Compared to most healing moves it is pritty lacking.
Your thoughts?

Franco Power · Feb 04, 2007, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Maybe reduce the casting time to 2 instead of 3 would be a nice start.

Issac · Feb 04, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Yeah, the casting time needs to be reduced. 2 would be nice

pingu666 · Feb 04, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

ya 2 seconds would be nice

mathijn · Feb 04, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

casting down to 2 sec would be cool....
waiting for 3 seconds before your regen starts...its F*CKed up.

ColaManiac · Feb 04, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Troll unguent: it was a nice skill 1,5 years ago... but now... you can easily take more dmg in that 3 secs than you heal in 10 secs and giving a huge degeneration is a lot easier than before...

Healing spring: too easily interrupted to be used in the mid of the battle...

predatory bond: meh... nice skill, but works only with high BM

Heal as one: it's a nice skill but... i think they should remove the 75% thingy

predatory season: not that good since it also helps enemies...

Cathode_Reborn · Feb 04, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17

[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]

Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar.

Straegaard · Feb 04, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]

Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar.

well, I think most people would like a heal that doesn't force them to stop attacking while they regen

drupal · Feb 04, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

I have no problems with Trolls. For me it's a nice skill, in PvP I use Natural Stride and heal myself outside of the main battle.

Amy Awien · Feb 04, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]

Unguent isn't good enough to be on my skillbar.

If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.

It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds.

Cathode_Reborn · Feb 05, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.

It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds.

It requires barely any points in healing for it to actually heal well. Obviously this isn't a very good heal in PvP but outside of that, it does well. Don't forget everyone doesn't use NS =p

If you're not using your 2ndary class and arn't using any Wilderness skills, this is a good heal. The downside of it ending when you attack/use a skill isn't always that bad - Once you activate it, just start attacking whenever you feel you've been healed enough.

Cathode_Reborn · Feb 05, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

If Restful Breeze works for you ... it looks like a fair amount of healing, but it requires points in Healing and if you use any skill at all it ends. It's an enchantment so it ends NS and can be stripped. But it's a fast cast and a good heal.

It would be pleasnt if the cast time of Troll Unguent was reduced a little, perhaps to 2 seconds.

It requires barely any points in healing for it to actually heal well. Obviously this isn't a very good heal in PvP but outside of that, it does well. Don't forget everyone doesn't use NS =p

If you're not using your 2ndary class and arn't using any Wilderness skills, this is a good heal. The downside of it ending when you attack/use a skill isn't always that bad - Once you activate it, just start attacking whenever you feel you've been healed enough.

As for Unguent, my main prob with it is just the casttime. It's powerful because once you've casted it, there's no way to remove it. It's still not enough for me though, cause you need a somewhat high rank in Wilderness for it to heal well.

EDIT: argh, accidentally double posted >_<

markus_thom · Feb 05, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Yeah ranger does not have any healing skills outside the wilderness artribute, so like always if your running a build with lots of points in markmanship and whith points in expertise, you have nothing left over with to heal with.

More discouragement to play bow builds, dont forget your a sitting target now that they removed evade mechanic.
Maybe some health heal skills in other artributes that help with defence.

Stormlord Alex · Feb 05, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

At the moment... If I truly must take a self-heal - I'm with Cathode, and use Restful Breeze. It's a full 10 regen for a few seconds, even at 3 Healing Prayers, allowing me to spread my attributes elsewhere if I was only considering WS for a self-heal. Though hero monks are so good I'd rather take another interrupt.

SnipiousMax · Feb 05, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

2 secs on Troll would be ridiculous.

As far as self heals go, it depends on what i need it for. Troll is a great 'pre-heal' and get-back-into-the-action heal. As a combat heal... it's terrible.

Personally, I think rather than delving into self-heals, the Ranger is better served preventing damage until they can get to a point where they can use Troll... or depend on another to heal them up.

chris_nin00 · Feb 05, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

I think troll is fine at what it is now. We, as rangers, have enough evasive skills to make it work. The proposed 2 seconds is too fast in my opinion.

The only thing that troubles me, is the fact that it's in wilderness survival... I have to put some points in there to work. It really, kills build flexibility.

Any minor buff would be nice though

markus_thom · Feb 05, 2007, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by chris_nin00

I think troll is fine at what it is now. We, as rangers, have enough evasive skills to make it work. The proposed 2 seconds is too fast in my opinion.

The only thing that troubles me, is the fact that it's in wilderness survival... I have to put some points in there to work. It really, kills build flexibility.

Any minor buff would be nice though

Thats the thing evasive has been changed to block, we have less defense now.
The most common time to use troll urgent is when under the effect of a stance.

I'd love it if they made the casting time apply to when moving instead of just when you stand still.
Just dreaming about that one, But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.

Amy Awien · Feb 05, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by chris_nin00

We, as rangers, have enough evasive skills to make it work.

Actually ... we have no evasive skills anymore

If it's for out-of-combat situations, 2 seconds wouldn't be a problem either. It would still not very usefull, in combat, but you wouldn't have to wait soooo long.

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Originally Posted by markus_thom

... so like always if your running a build with lots of points in markmanship and whith points in expertise, you have nothing left over with to heal with ...

You'll always be stuck with having to compromise something to gain another, but bringing marks from 16 to 14 isn't such a big deal and will give you enough points for another attribute to become usefull.

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Originally Posted by markus_thom

... But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.

I wouldn't say it's crap, it's a 180 HP heal for 2 or 3 energy, but it's just slooow.

Coloneh · Feb 05, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by markus_thom

But seriously guys troll urgent is crap compared to most self heals out there.

not even close. its easily the most energy-efficient(non signet) heal in the game.

Raven Nebula · Feb 05, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

I started using vigorous spirit as my healer a little while back. I found that for me I can keep my health up pretty well while still attacking, especially if you're using barrage. Live vicariously has the same idea and since it's an enchantment you can just leave it on. Of course you need to have mo as your second for both skills, but for me it's easily worth it. With 7 in healing prayers (using VS) i can get 12 health hour of every shot...using barrage and tiger's fury...all is well.

I definitely agree that Trolls is not the best ever. The advantage of course is that you can keep points in WS and not move them elsewhere.